03/01/04
OmniWeb 5
For the past year I’ve been dithering between Camino, Safari and Firebird as my default browser on OSX, unable to settle with one. They’re all really good, but each one has something that niggles me or leaves me wanting. In Camino its the lack of autofill and its centered tabbed browsing. In Safari, it’s the lack of toolbar customisability, its icons and non-configurable pop-up blocking. Firebird is the one that comes damn close, but at the end of the day, its not a cocoa app, so no native form widgets and (more importantly) I can’t use the funk in the services menu like ‘subscribe in NetNewsWire’ or ‘Encode into HTML’ (Character Convertor).
One other browser that I’ve been really impressed with was Omniweb 4.5. Its heavily laden with features, but that doesn’t seem to slow it down. It now uses the WebCore Framework (Safari’s rendering engine), so its CSS and Javascript problems are in the past. One of my favourite features is its form editor. Everytime you come across a textfield, you’ll see a small icon the scrollbar -click that and a larger editing window zooms out. This is particularly useful when fiddling with MovableType templates. I’m not keen on OW’s back/forward/stop toolbar icons, but that can be changed. The real drawback was the lack of tabbed browsing. Why pay $30 for a browser, when all the free ones supply this important feature? So I’ve been waiting for news of the next version, in which the Omni Group promised to bring in Tabs.
Finally, details have been released of Omniweb 5, but I couldn’t help give a huge sigh of disappointment (and feel a little angry) when I saw how they were going to implement tabs. The Omniweb way is going to be a side drawer with thumbnails of each site. If you’ve ever opened a multi-page PDF in Apple Preview, you’ll have an idea of how this will look.
This seems a very odd move. For a start, its screen-hungry. It might not be too bad on a widescreen PowerBook, but on normal proportion monitors it looks as if it’ll steal far too much space. Also, if there are more thumbnails than there is space for, you need to scroll down and then select one. Traditional tabs mean that everything is just one, easy click away. They obviously felt the need to be different – now that it uses the safari rendering engine, they have to work harder to convince users to buy something they effectively already have.
There are some interesting new features, such as an in-built RSS reader and ‘workspaces’ which allow you to save a set of tabs. There’s a google search box to compete with the others – but they’ve also included an interface to add your own search engines. (Safari and Camino require fiddling to do this, while Firebird has a wide selection of add-ons available from Mozdev’s Mycroft). The new page marker feature looks like Safari’s ‘snapback’ in all but name, but the ability to save preferences for each site (pop-ups, text size etc) looks handy. It all looks really promising, with just the tab-thumbnails dampening my enthusiasm.
Having said that, I’m slowly starting to come around to this new approach to tabbed browsing. When the public beta becomes available in February, I’m going to be eager to try it out.
Update: If you want to see how the new tabs work, have a look at this movie. This shows that you can view sites as a list, rather than thumbnails, as well as resize the thumbnails.
Update II: Omniweb 5 was previewed at the MacWorld Expo in San Francisco this week, and Your Mac Life have a video interview with David Kasprzyk from the OminGroup. The video shows that it has the ability to resize the tab thumbnails, from huge to tiny. Looks even more promising….
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Scott Johnson said 1665 days ago:
Firebird is the only way to go for me. Sure, I find Safari to be a bit quicker, but since my main workstation is an IBM laptop, I stick with Firebird for consistency across the two platforms. And Firebird's configurability is simply unsurpassed. Oddly, though, when I'm using my Mac for extended periods of time, though, I often finding both Safari and Firebird open at the same time. I'll have to take a look at the new Omniweb, though. This sounds interesting.Phil Larson said 1665 days ago:
Actually, there have been some good rebuttals that the drawer actually shows more than tabs do.Check out this post from one of the engineers at OmniGroup.
Steven Garrity said 1665 days ago:
It doesn't seem clear from the screenshots of OmniWeb 5 whether there will be a scroll bar on the thumbnail-tabs drawer, or if the thumbnails will just get smaller (which I would much prefer - they could even go to two columns of small thumbs when there are a lot).Firebird is it for me too though - especially since I only spend a small amount of time on the mac, and I use Firebird as my primary browser on the other platforms.
It's nice to know too that Firebird is getting better and better on the Mac all the time - and there is even a post 1.0 release planned to be Mac only to address any remaining OS X specific issues.
Considering Firebird on OS X is only a few months old, it's impressive.
That said - I too look forward to the OmniWeb beta. It's nice to see someone trying new things in a browser. How long ago was it that we were complaining of no innovation in the browser world?
Jon Hicks said 1665 days ago:
Just found this. Its a movie showing how the tabs work...http://mikematas.com/omniweb5/omniwebtabs.mp4
Jon Hicks said 1665 days ago:
Phil - thanks for the link. Its interesting to hear the rationale behind the tabs. After seeing the video of them in action, I'm warming to them.Dris said 1665 days ago:
It does look like a more efficient way to store that list of open sites (especially in the list view). But I'd still find it a bit difficult to adjust to that metaphor. They aren't really tabs, obviously. I have the same thing with Preview. It's just a different feel, but with enough time I could adjust. That's what we humans do. :PI've always used Safari as my main browser. I just like it. It feels nice and light. I do, however, like OmniWeb and Firebird. As far as I'm concerned, they're equally fitting for my needs.
DeWaun said 1665 days ago:
Well, it feels good to be among those of you who are stuck between Safari, Camino and Firebird as our main browsers. I, too, have taken a keen interest in the upcoming OmniWeb 5 browser. My home computer is an old Beige G3/266 Desktop and I have a 17" monitor, so screen real-estate, along with browser speed & responsiveness, is an important thing to me. My question lies in the fact that, while the thumbnails are nice and can be shortened to a "list view", do they also load the page in the background allowing a instantaneous preview when clicked upon? Or does the browser have to re-load the entire page when you click from the side-drawer?quis said 1665 days ago:
Not sure if you've seen this, and I'm on Windows so I'm not sure if it's exactly what you're talking about when you mentionned the firebird interface, but you might want to have a look:http://kmgerich.com/pinstripe/pinstripe.html
Quasi said 1664 days ago:
Though I'd probably use a list view most of the time, the thumbnail would make it quick to choose the website you want be active. Very rarely do the sites I visit look similar so for me it would probably speed up selecting between tabs(thumbnails) and therefore increase productivity by a small amount. I personally like the idea. I like it when competitors think different and begin to innovate.Jon Hicks said 1664 days ago:
Quis - yes, Kevin developed the current Firebird default theme for OS X. It looks more Panther than his original Mozilla suite theme. Its truly the business!Quasi - I agree with you on the innovation. Its good that they push the boundaries, and until I get the chance to try out a beta, I won't be sure how good it'll be. I imagine I'll use list view more though - I just don't need to see thumbnails to recognise each tabs.
DeWaun - I can't be sure, but from the video, it looks as if all the pages are loaded in the background. It certainly seemed pretty instantaneous.
Stephane said 1659 days ago:
When I started on OS X, OmniWeb was my favorite browser, it changed to Camino then Safari and the pinstripe theme of Firebird made me keep a copy of it on my computer. Now i mostly use Safari but I'm waiting for OmniWeb witch look awesome, I just hope they do new toolbar icons, they look pretty old.p.s. By the way, how do you do the live preview in comments ? Pretty impressive !
Jon Hicks said 1657 days ago:
Stephane,Yeah, I'm pretty much in the same boat. Can't wait for the beta I've got high hopes.
Live previews:
http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/archives/000317.php